* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. TO LEAD US IN THE [00:00:01] PLEDGE TO OUR NATION'S [REGULAR MEETING – 7:00 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBERS] FLAG, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND, [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ROLL CALL:  Mayor Michael  Mayor Pro Tem Kennedy  Council Members Hutchison, Scott and Stickler] PUT YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART. REPEAT AFTER ME. MY P TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDERG GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MADAM CLERK, ARE THERE ANY, ANY AMENDMENTS [AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA] TO THIS EVENING'S AGENDA? WE HAVE NO AMENDMENTS TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. AND WE WILL NOW MOVE [ANNOUNCEMENT / PRESENTATIONS] ON TO ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS. THERE ARE NONE IF YOU SEE THE AGENDA THIS EVENING ARE NONE OUR SCHEDULE. SO WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS. [PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS] THIS IS THE TIME AND THE PLACE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AND FIRE BOARD ON ANY ITEM LISTED OR NOT LISTED ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL FOR THOSE DESIRING TO SPEAK, SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS THIS EVENING? NO PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED VERY WELL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR FOLLOWING [CONSENT CALENDARS ] CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ARE EXPECTED TO BE ROUTINE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL. THEY'RE GONNA BE ACTED UPON AT ONE TIME. WITHOUT DISCUSSION, ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR FIRE BOARD MAY REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR SHOULD THEY SO DESIRE. MR. MAYOR, I NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM ITEM D THREE DUE TO POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS SOCALGAS IS MY EMPLOYER. VERY GOOD. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT CONSENT CALENDAR? SO MOVED. I SECOND. OKAY. PLEASE VOTE WITH COUNCILWOMAN SCOTT. SUSTAINING. PARDON ME. GO AHEAD, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT ABSTAINING ON ITEM D THREE. VERY GOOD. WE HAVE NO CONSENT ORDINANCES, NO PUBLIC HEARING [CONSENT CALENDAR ORDINANCE(S) - SECOND READING/ADOPTION] ITEMS. WE DO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING [ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING ITEM(S)] ITEM AND THAT I WILL TURN OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. SISON. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SO, UM, I AM GONNA ASK JENNIFER NAKAMURA, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING TO GIVE THIS STAFF REPORT, UM, JUST, UH, BY WAY OF SETTING THE CONTEXT FOR THE COUNCIL. YOU WILL RECALL A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AFTER A LONG PROCESS THAT INVOLVED SOMEBODY WORKING, UM, ON A MASTER PLAN. UM, THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK TO THE COUNCIL INDICATING THAT HAD THE, UM, PARTY IN QUESTION REALIZED THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL EARLIER ON, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE PURSUED THE ENTIRE PROCESS. AND SO YOU DIRECTED US TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHICH WE DID, AND DEVELOP A NEW PROCESS THAT ALLOWED YOU TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK AT THE BEGINNING. UM, AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE TONIGHT, UM, WE HAVE, I THINK WE'VE TAKEN ONE OR TWO OTHERS LIKE THIS TO YOU. UM, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE LARGEST ONE. SO YOU HAVE A, UM, IT'S A HEARING TO CONSIDER A PROPOSED MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD INCLUDE A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT APPLICATION WOULD BE FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FOOTHILL AND MILLIKEN. IT WOULD INCLUDE SOME SITE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND, UM, THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THAT, UH, JENNIFER AND HER TEAM PUT TOGETHER DOES A GOOD JOB, IF YOU WILL, OF OUTLINING, UM, THE PURPOSE OF A MASTER PLAN AND, UM, SOME OF THE PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING. UM, THE COUNCIL'S, UH, IF YOU WILL, UH, UH, PURPOSE THIS EVENING IS TO HEAR AND CONSIDER THE IMPLICATION OF WHAT'S BEING, UH, REQUESTED, PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS THAT COULD HELP THE APPLICANT CONSIDER WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION AND COULD ALSO, IF YOU WILL, HELP GUIDE YOUR, UH, COMMISSION WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR THEIR REVIEW OF IT, IF THE APPLICANT DOES MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, UH, IT WILL BE UP TO THE APPLICANT AND THEY WILL DECIDE, UM, UH, WHETHER TO FURTHER PURSUE THE PROCESS. SO WITH THAT, LET ME TURN IT OVER TO JENNIFER AND SHE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IN SOME MORE DETAIL. UM, THE ISSUES RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE. THANK YOU, MR. ESON. UM, AS MR. ESON PREVIOUSLY STATED, UH, THE, IN 2021, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THIS POLICY TO PROVIDE EARLY FEEDBACK ON THESE TYPES OF, UH, APPLICANT INITIATED LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS. UM, AND THE IDEA WAS TO GIVE EARLY FEEDBACK. UM, STAFF WOULD PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS OF THOSE PROPOSED ACTIONS AND THEN THE COUNCIL WOULD PROVIDE COMMENT, UH, TO CLARIFY THOSE ARE NEITHER A GUARANTEE OF APPROVAL OR GUARANTEE OF ANY FUTURE APPROVAL OR A FU OR A GUARANTEE OF FUTURE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF. THIS IS SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PROS AND CONS OF THE PROPOSAL, UM, OR THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER. AND THEN AT THAT TIME, ONCE THEY RECEIVE COMMENT, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT CAN THEN DETERMINE IF THEY WANNA CONTINUE TO PURSUE THESE LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS. SO THE APPLICANT LEWIS GROUP IS CONSIDERING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THEIR PARCEL AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FOOTHILL BOULEVARD, MILLIKEN AVENUE, WHICH IS WITHIN THE CITY CORRIDOR HIGH GENERAL PLAN, LAND [00:05:01] USE DESIGNATION AND HAS AN IMPLEMENTING ZONE OF CORRIDOR TWO. THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 12.5 ACRES WITH FRONTAGES ALONG MILLIKEN OR FOOTHILL BOULEVARD, MILLIKEN AVENUE TO THE WEST AND MAIN AVENUE TO THE EAST. THE APPLICANT IS CONSIDERING A PROJECT THAT WOULD DEVIATE FROM SEVERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND AS SUCH AS IS CONSIDERING APPLYING FOR A MASTER PLAN AND A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. UM, THE FIRST OF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES IS TO THE NUMBER OF BUILDING TYPES. THE CODE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF THREE BUILDING TYPES FOR SITES OVER FIVE ACRES. THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REDUCE THE VARIETY OF BUILDING TYPES, PRIMARILY DUE TO THE MID, UH, TO USE THE MIDRISE BUILDING TYPE. THE LIKELY CONSTRUCTION TYPE WOULD BE A WRAP STYLE BUILDING WHERE THE PARKING STRUCTURE IS SURROUNDED BY UNITS ON THREE OR FOUR SIDES. THE MIDRISE BUILDING TYPE DOES ALLOW FOR HIGHER RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROS OF THIS OPTION, UM, VERSUS OTHER BUILDING TYPES LIKE THE MAIN STREET, WHICH TEND TO LEND THEMSELVES TO MORE LOWER DENSITIES. UM, AND AS A RESULT, MORE MID-RISE BUILDING TYPES MAY PROVIDE MORE HOUSING UNITS OVERALL ON THE SITE. THE PICTURE SHOWN HERE ON THE RIGHT ILLUSTRATES THE DIVERSITY THAT MULTIPLE BUILDING TYPES CREATE. HOWEVER, IN THE FOREGROUND, THE MAIN STREET BUILDING TYPE DEPICTED HERE PROVIDES A LOWER PROFILE TO THE MID-RISE BUILDING DOWN THE STREET. SO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN VERTICAL, UM, IN VERTICAL RISE OF ABOUT TWO STORIES. UM, WITH A LONG FRONTAGE ON FOOTHILL, THE STREET COULD LOOK MONOLITHIC WITHOUT THIS VARIETY, BUT COULD BE BROKEN UP IN OTHER WAYS. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO THE BLOCK LENGTH AND MID-RISE BUILDING SIZE STANDARDS. THE CODE REQUIRES BLOCKS TO MEAN NO MORE THAN 500 FEET ON EACH FACE WITH A MAXIMUM BLOCK PERIMETER OF 1700 FEET. EACH BUILDING TYPE WAS DESIGNED AND CALIBRATED TO WORK WITH THESE DIMENSIONS. THEY'RE PROPOSING INCREASING THE BLOCK FACE TO A MAXIMUM OF 575 FEET WITH A PERIMETER OF 2000 FEET, AND THEN ASSOCIATED INCREASES TO THE SIZES OF THE BUILDING TO FIT BETTER WITHIN THOSE BLOCKS. THIS WOULD RESULT IN WIDER CITY BLOCKS AND LARGER BUILDINGS THAN CURRENTLY PERMITTED BY CODE. THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS IS THAT IT CREATES BETTER CONNECTIVITY WITH THE EXISTING DRIVE AISLE TO THE SOUTH AS DEPICTED IN THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT. THAT CONNECTIVITY, HOWEVER, IS ONLY ACHIEVED THROUGH THE CREATION OF A MEDIAN BREAK ALONG FOOTHILL AND LIKELY A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THE BLOCKS WOULD ONLY BE ABOUT 12% LARGER THAN CURRENTLY PERMITTED. AND ANOTHER OPTION COULD BE TO CREATE PEDESTRIAN PEOS WITHIN THESE LARGER BLOCKS TO CREATE A MORE PLEASANT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. ALTERNATIVELY, UM, IT IS TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE TO BUILD THREE SMALLER BLOCKS WITHIN THIS FRONTAGE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ON FOOTHILL IN A MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT ALONG MAYON AVENUE AND AND MILLIKEN AVENUE WHERE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE PERMITTED. THE CODE REQUIRES THE UNIT TO BE ELEVATED A MAXIMUM OF 30 INCHES ABOVE THE SIDEWALK LEVEL TO ALLOW FOR ENHANCED PRIVACY AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. THE PICTURE HERE DEPICTS THIS CODE REQUIREMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHERE THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS AND THE DOORS ARE JUST ABOVE STREET LEVEL BY A FEW STEPS DUE TO AN EIGHT FOOT VARIATION IN GRADE, PARTICULARLY ALONG MAINTENANCE AVENUE. THEY ARE PROPOSING INCREASING THIS HEIGHT IF NEEDED TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ELEVATION ABOVE STREET LEVEL. THE REQUIRED NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA RATIO FOR THIS SITE IS ALSO 0.4. THAT REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 217,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AND 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL AMENITIES AND SERVICES. THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THIS AREA IS LOOKING FOR A CORRIDOR URBAN IN CHARACTER WITH MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITH COMMERCIAL USES PROVIDING GROUND FLOOR ACTIVITY ALONG THE CORRIDOR. REDUCING THE FLOOR AIR RATIO DOES ALLOW FOR INCREASED RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, UM, AND CONTINUES TO SHIFT AWAY FROM THE SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS TYPICAL ON FOOTHILL BOULEVARD TODAY. HOWEVER, ONCE BUILT, ESPECIALLY WITH RESIDENTIAL USES, IT MAY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO INCREASE THE NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE. IN THE FUTURE. LIMITING FUTURE JOB, ECONOMIC AND JOB GROWTH, NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD CONSIDER ACCOMMODATING IMMEDIATELY FEASIBLE NON-RESIDENTIAL WITH SPACE FOR FUTURE EXPANSION. FURTHER, IF THE PROJECT IS BUILT IN A HORIZONTAL MIXED USE FORMAT, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES MAY NOT BE BUILT, UM, RIGHT AWAY LEAVING A LARGELY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT WITH NO SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL USES, FORCING RESIDENTS TO DRIVE TO MEET THEIR NEEDS. THE ZONING MAP ALSO INCLUDES A FRONTAGE OVERLAY, UM, ALONG THE FOOTHILL CORRIDOR THAT INDICATES WHERE RETAIL USES ARE REQUIRED [00:10:01] AS DEPICTED HERE IN RED, UM, AND WHERE A WIDER VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL USES MAY BE LOCATED. THESE ARE SHOWN IN PURPLE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MODIFY THIS OVERLAY TO RELOCATE SOME OF THE RETAIL ONLY REQUIREMENTS DEPENDING ON HOW THE BLOCKS ARE FINALLY CONFIGURED AND REQUESTING THE RESIDENT ONLY AMENITY SPACE, UM, FRONTING FOOTHILL BOULEVARD. UM, ADDING RETAIL FRONTAGE TO ANY NEW BLOCK CREATED MAY PROVIDE MORE ACTIVITY AT A NEW INTERSECTION. HOWEVER, ELIMINATING RETAIL FRONTAGE FROM EXISTING BLOCKS COULD IMPACT FUTURE INTERSECTION ACTIVITY. AND FURTHER RESIDENTIAL AMENITY SPACE IS NOT COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND GENERALLY DOES NOT GENERATE JOBS OR ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. A FINAL CONSIDERATION FOR THE COUNCIL IS THE LENGTH OF TIME LIKELY TO OCCUR BETWEEN GRANTING THE MASTER PLAN AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AND ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. THE POTENTIAL TIMELINE BETWEEN THESE COULD BE YEARS. UM, THE TOWN CENTER MASTER PLAN AT THE CORNER OF FOOTHILL AND HAVEN IS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS. IT WAS APPROVED IN 2001, ABOUT 75% OF IT WAS BUILT BY 2005 AND THE REMAINING 25% TODAY STILL REMAINS VACANT. UM, THIS MASTER PLAN IS BEING DESIGNED FOR WHAT IS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TODAY. AND WE KNOW THAT CERTAIN BUILDING TYPES AND HEIGHTS ARE NOT CURRENTLY ECONOMICALLY FE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE. GIVEN CURRENT LAND VALUES. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT MAY BE FEASIBLE BY THE TIME THE PROJECT OF THIS SCALE IS ACTUALLY READY TO BE BEGIN CONSTRUCTION. BUT LOCKING A SITE INTO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE ENTITLEMENT CAN HAVE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF ALLOWING A DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY NO LONGER NEED THE COMMUNITY'S VISION OR NEEDS BY THE TIME IT'S ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED. SO THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT AFTER WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT DETER CAN DETERMINE HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED. STAFF WILL TAKE NOTE OF COUNSEL FEEDBACK AND IF DESIRED BY THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH THEM ON ANY NEXT STEPS AS THEY SEE FIT. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS OF THE COUNSEL PRIOR TO OPENING THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. NAKAMURA? OKAY. SEEING NONE, MR. MAYOR, I'M SORRY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. I'M SORRY. UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO KNOW ON THIS DEVELOPMENT IF THESE CHANGES WERE SOMETHING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD ON, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT FUTURE PROJECTS WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS IN OUR CITY AS WELL AND AFFECT THOSE, UH, LANDSCAPES AND, UM, OUR FUTURE? UH, LOOK ON HOW THOSE AREAS SHOULD BE DEVELOPED AS WELL. SURE. ANY DECISION THAT THE COUNCIL MAKES THROUGH THESE LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS DOES SET A, YOU KNOW, CAN SET A PRECEDENT OR SETS A-A-A-A-A, YOU KNOW, AN IDEA THAT OTHER DEVELOPERS MAY WANT TO COME IN AND DO THE SAME THING, UM, OR MAY WANT TO CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT ALONG THE SAME LINES. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE NAVIGATED AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WHATEVER DECISIONS ARE MADE, IF SOMEBODY SEES THOSE 10 OR 15 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, THEY MAY SAY, WELL, IT WAS OKAY THEN WHY IS IT MAYBE NOT OKAY NOW? MM-HMM, AND THEN HAVING TO GO THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, CAN BE SOMETIMES DIFFICULT AND COMPLEX. THANK YOU. IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE POINT, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER THE MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. AND IF THE GENERAL PLAN REQUIRES ANY MODIFICATIONS, THEN THAT MODIFICATION COULD APPLY TO ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE SIMILARLY SITUATED. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT? YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, I REPRESENT LEWIS ON THIS ISSUE AND UH, I REALLY FEEL THAT YOUR NAME SIR, PLEASE. THE CITY, THE CITY PRESENTED TO US. SIR, COULD I JUST ASK YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME? SO WE HAVE, OH, JOHN YOUNG. SORRY. THANK YOU, JOHN. SORRY. UM, THIS, WHEN WE WERE IN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE HAD IN THE SITE, UH, MATT BURRIS SUGGESTED THAT WE LOOK INTO THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY WE STARTED LOOKING THIS WAY AND, AND LOOKING AT DOING THIS. THE, WE BELIEVE THAT THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE SUBMITTING THE PROJECT TO THE CITY, THERE'LL BE MORE CONSENSUS WITH THE CITY ON WHAT WE'RE DELIVERING. IF THE, WE LOOKED AT LIKE THE BLOCKS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SAID TWO BLOCKS OR THREE BLOCKS, IF THROUGH THE PROCESS WE END UP [00:15:01] DETERMINING THAT WE NEED TO GO WITH THREE BLOCKS, SO BE IT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHOW IN THE PROCESS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN WHY WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHY IT MAKES SENSE ON SUCH A MASSIVE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IN SUCH A HUGE ELEMENT OF THE CITY. SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM. OKAY. IF THERE'S, DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. YOUNG? I DO HAVE ONE. MR. MAYOR. DO, DO YOU HAVE A ROUGH TIMELINE OF WHEN THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD TAKE PLACE? IS THIS SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS AS A THREE YEAR PROJECT OR 10 PLUS? NO, I, I THINK IT TAKES PROBABLY THREE YEARS JUST TO GO FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW TO HAVING BUILDING PERMITS. SURE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT NOW IS A VERY TOUGH TIME IN THE APARTMENT BUSINESS WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH INTEREST RATES AND WITH CONSTRUCTION. 'CAUSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE AT AN ALL TIME HIGH AND INTEREST RATES, YOU'RE TRYING TO ADJUST TO THAT. I THINK WITHIN A COUPLE, TWO OR THREE YEARS THAT'LL BE BEHIND US. SO THEN IT'LL, IT'LL OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN IT'S GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T SEE, SEE IT APPLYING FOR PERMITTING OR BEING DONE WITH PERMITTING FOR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. THAT'S SAFE TO SAY, OH, IT'S UP TO, IT'S UP TO LEWIS HOW THEY WANT TO, WHEN THEY WANT TO DO IT, BUT IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS READY TO START IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT IT'LL TAKE TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS, I I THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT THEY WOULD BE READY TO START THE PROJECT AT THAT TIME. DO YOU GUYS HAVE A ROUGH IDEA OF, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE STAFF REPORT OF WHAT THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE? IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, UH, PROBABLY ROUGHLY 750 UNITS AND, AND CALL THAT AN AVERAGE OF, IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE HIGHER THAN A THOUSAND AVERAGE ACROSS THE UNITS. SO IT MAYBE IT'S 800, 800 TO 900,000 SQUARE FEET. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PARKING STRUCTURES. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. JUST, JUST ONE MOMENT. I WANT, JENNIFER, WHAT THE PROJECT THAT YOU MENTIONED IS YET TO, THERE'S STILL 25% VACANCY OR THERE, IS THAT VAC IS THAT THE TOWN CENTER OR IS THAT WHAT, WHAT PROJECT IS THAT? THAT IS THE, UM, THE TOWN CENTER MASTER PLAN THAT IS, UM, AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF HAVEN AND FOOTHILL. OKAY. UM, JUST TO OUTTA CURIOSITY, THAT 25% IS, IS THE TI TIS BEEN IMPROVED OR IS IT JUST SHELLS OF THAT 25%? THOSE BUILDINGS ARE, IT'S COMPLETELY VACANT. COMPLETELY VACANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, OKAY. I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU, WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP. OKAY. THANKS FOR ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU JENNIFER, FOR THE VERY THOROUGH REPORT. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS? ANYBODY ELSE? THOUGHTS? WELL, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU, RYAN. MAYOR PORTAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST? NO, YOU GO AHEAD MR. OKAY. I HAVE JUST A COUPLE, UH, NOTES HERE THAT I'M JUST GONNA KINDA GIVE MY BASIC KIND OF ANALYSIS OF WHAT I SEE HERE AND KIND OF MY KNEE-JERK REACTION TO SOME OF THIS. UM, I, I, ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE FOR JENNIFER, I GUESS IS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF BUILDING TYPES REQUIRED THE CODE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF THREE OVER FIVE ACRES. DID WAS A, A NUMBER SPECIFIED OR JUST LESS THAN THREE IS WHAT THE, THE STATEMENT WAS? THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD AS IT WOULD LIKELY BE TWO. OKAY. UM, THE LARGEST BUILDINGS WOULD MOST LIKELY BE THE MID-RISE BUILDING TYPE CONSISTING OF WRAP BUILDINGS. UM, AND THEN IN THE PORTION ON THE NORTH, UM, AGAIN, AND THESE ARE ALL STILL SOMEWHAT CONCEPTUAL DISCUSSIONS. SURE. BUT THE, UM, AREA, THE, THE, A RECTANGULAR PIECE TO THE NORTH WOULD LIKELY BE A LOWER DENSITY PRODUCT, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY FIT IN ONE OF OUR OTHER BUILDING TYPES. OKAY. AND LET ME MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU RIGHT. THE, THE SMALLER ONE TO THE NORTH, YOU SAID THAT WOULD BE, BUT THE THREE ACROSS THE BOTTOM WOULD BE SIMILAR? YEAH, EITHER THREE OR TWO, DEPENDING ON HOW THE BLOCK CONFIGURATION ENDS UP LOOKING. SURE, SURE. WELL, I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THAT IS FRONTAGE TO FOOTHILL WHERE, WHERE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE APPEALING TO THE EYE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIATION THERE THAN MAYBE JUST ONE BUILDING FROM THAT LONG BLOCK ALL THE WAY FROM MILLIKEN TO, TO MAIN, I GUESS WHAT I MIGHT BE OPEN TO IS IF THEY COULD FIND ANOTHER WAY TO REALLY BREAK THAT UP THAT WAS KIND OF PROFOUND AND, AND CHECK THAT BOX, I GUESS I'D BE OPEN TO LOOKING AT IT. UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT PROBABLY IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN THAT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A LARGE BRICK ACROSS THERE. UH, THAT'S THE FIRST POINT ON THERE. SECOND IS [00:20:01] THE LENGTH OF THE BLOCKS. UH, SO THE MAXIMUM IS 500 FEET. THEY'RE REQUESTING ABOUT 5 75. I UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE CONNECTIVITY THERE WITH THAT SOUTHBOUND STREET. AND I THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT MIGHT MAKE SOME SENSE AND THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A TON OF DIFFERENCE THERE. SO THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT EVENTUALLY COULD BE WITHIN THE REALM OF FEASIBLE, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT MASSIVELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE THERE. I UNDERSTAND TOO THAT THERE IS A GRADE FOR NUMBER THREE ON MATON AS WE GO FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. AND SO WHERE THERE'S A 30 INCH MAXIMUM ABOVE THE SIDEWALK ELEVATION, THAT'S THE, THE LIMIT I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE ON WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF STEP UP OR CHANGE THERE IF IT'S EIGHT, EIGHT FULL FEET IN THAT RELATIVELY SHORT SPAN. WHAT, I GUESS WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS HOW MANY STAIRS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CLIMBING AND UH, ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE PEOPLES, IS ARE THERE EYE LEVELS GONNA BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DOOR? IS IT SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN? I THINK THAT IT PROBABLY MAKES SOME LOGICAL SENSE THERE THAT MAYBE THAT THAT CHANGES A LITTLE BIT WITH THE GRADE. BUT, UH, I'D WANT TO, I'D WANT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT. AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. MM-HMM. . BUT IF IT'S A LOT OF BIT, I'M NOT SURE IT MAKES AS MUCH SENSE. UM, NUMBER FOUR, GOING TO THE FLOOR AREA RATIO. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED THE APPLICANT WAS WHAT THE ROUGH SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS EIGHT TO 900,000 SQUARE FEET. UH, I CAN JUST TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, 217,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL DOES SOUND LIKE A BIG, BIG NUMBER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU 50,000 SQUARE FEET FOR A MAJOR TWO MAJOR STREETS IN OUR CITY. MILLIKEN'S GOT AN, UH, ENTRY, UH, AN EXIT ON THE TWO 10 FREEWAY AND THE 10 FREEWAY. IT'S A VERY SERIOUS CORRIDOR FOOTHILL'S, OUR BIGGEST CORRIDOR. I COULD SEE IT DEFINITELY BEING BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT FOOTPRINT, UH, FOOTPRINT OF COMMERCIAL THERE. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 50,000 SQUARE FEET AND 217,000 SQUARE FEET ON ITS FACE TO ME SEEMS LIKE WAY TOO BIG OF A GAP TO FILL THAT THERE'LL NEED TO BE A MORE, UH, THAT THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE MORE EFFORT THERE AT SOME POINT TO GETTING CLOSER TO THE FAR THAT WE HAVE, UM, ON THE BOOKS. SO I THINK THAT GAP'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TOO BIG FOR ME RIGHT NOW. UH, MODIFICATIONS TO QUARTER FRONT FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS THAT, SO THE LAST TIME I WAS ON THE SITE, I WAS BUYING MY CHRISTMAS TREE THIS YEAR, WHICH MAYBE SOME OTHER PEOPLE WERE. UM, AND I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL THINK OF FOOTHILL BOULEVARD AS A A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERYONE WOULD. AND ON THAT CORNER RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE OLD ISLANDS, WE HAVE ZENDEJAS, I THINK, UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, UNIMPROVED LOT ON THE NORTHWEST, UNIMPROVED LOT ON THE NORTHEAST. I THINK THAT HAVING, HAVING A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT ON EACH OF THOSE CORNERS PROBABLY MAKES SENSE AND I'D HAVE TO BE GIVEN A PRETTY GOOD REASON WHY IT WOULDN'T, UH, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S TWO BUSINESSES ON THE SOUTHERN CORNER, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING OR REASONABLE NOT TO HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL COMPONENT ON THE TOP. SO I, I'D HAVE TO REALLY BE COMPELLED ON THAT IF I WANTED TO SEE IT. SO DO I THINK THAT OVERALL THAT THERE'S SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS PROJECT THAT, THAT, THAT MAY BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT IT MORE PALATABLE TO ME, YES. AND I THINK IT'S WITHIN THE REALM THAT IT COULD GET THERE. UM, BUT IF I WAS BEING ASKED FOR WHAT IS IN THIS RIGHT NOW ACROSS THE BOARD, I'D SAY IT PROBABLY EXCEEDS, JUST SLIGHTLY EXCEEDS MY COMFORT LEVEL. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? CHRISTINE? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I LIKE HAVING THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE US HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT. AGAIN, IT'S NOT APPROVING OR DENYING ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALWAYS MINDFUL OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT SPENDING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE CAN'T ACCEPT IN OUR CITY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. SECONDLY, I'M GONNA JUST MIRROR SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HUTCHINSON INDICATED. THE ONE THING THAT REALLY, UM, WHEN I READ THIS AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT WAS OUR GENERAL PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND JUST IN MY MIND, SEEING THE VISION OF WHAT THAT CORRIDOR LOOKS LIKE. AND A LOT OF IT IS HEAVILY MIXED USE WITH RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL RETAIL, UM, WITH HOUSING. SO SOME OF THE, UM, ASK IN HERE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE CORNERS WITH THE RETAIL, AS COUNCILMAN HUTCHINSON JUST SAID, I'M NOT SURE I COULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, THE WAY WE SEE THE FOOTHILL BOULEVARD GOING DOWN, WE SEE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL. AND SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE, JUST LIKE [00:25:01] MY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, COLLEAGUE SAID, I COULD BE CONVINCED ON THAT. I WOULD HAVE TO, BUT I SEE A COMMERCIAL AND ALSO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, THAT IS A LARGE NUMBER. I DO AGREE WITH RYAN HERE THAT GOING FROM 217 TO 50,000 OF THAT COMMERCIAL, I AM CONCERNED 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO OUR CITY, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND ALSO JUST, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE GENERAL PLAN AND WHAT WAS INDICATED EARLIER ABOUT JUST SETTING A PRECEDENT AND HAVING TO COME BACK EVERY TIME SOMEONE WANTS TO CHANGE, AND HOW THAT CHANGES THE WHOLE CORRIDOR OF, UM, FOOTHILL ON OUR MASTER PLAN GENERAL PLAN. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN AGREE TO OR, OR WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH IN TERMS OF THE GRADING. I, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF ODD. I I WOULDN'T WANT TO PERSONALLY BE DRIVING DOWN FOOTHILL BOULEVARD AND HAVING SOMEONE BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO MY, UM, BEDROOM OR LIVING ROOM. SO I LIKE THE GRADE. I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD CAUSE. BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I'M NOT SURE I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH. UM, ALLOWING, THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. IS IT MR. YOUNG, THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE PULSE OF THE COUNCIL BEFORE YOU GET TOO FAR ALONG IN THIS PROJECT. AND SO AS I READ STAFF REPORT AND THE PROS AND CONS, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. IT GAVE ME A, A VERY GOOD GLIMPSE OF THE IMPACT OF THE REQUESTED CHANGES, BUT THEN I WENT BACK TO THE GENERAL PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED. YOU'VE SEEN THIS, RIGHT? YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, MR. YOUNG AND THE TEAM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. VERY WELL DONE. IT STARTS OUT WITH THE VISION AND MISSION OF THE CITY. AND AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PLAN, THERE'S A SECTION THAT HAS BIG IDEAS. AND THE BIG IDEAS WERE THE STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY'S ATTEMPT TO DRILL DOWN. AND REALLY HOW DO YOU UPHOLD THE CITY'S VISION AND VALUES? AND SOME OF THE BIG IDEAS WERE THE DESIGN FOR PEOPLE FIRST PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESSIBILITY, CREATE DESTINATIONS, ESTABLISH RANCHO CUCAMONGA AS THE CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC HUB OF THE INLAND EMPIRE AND ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE REQUEST YOU MADE THIS EVENING, DO YOUR REQUEST UPHOLD THOSE BIG IDEAS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TO MAKE SURE THAT RANCHO CUCAMONGA UPHOLDS THE VISION AND VALUES. AND SOME OF YOUR REQUESTS DO NOT SUPPORT CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESSIBILITY. CERTAINLY DON'T CREATE AN ATMOSPHERE OF A DESTINATION, A PLACE WHERE YOU WANT TO GO AND SHOP AND VISIT AND IT'S WALKABLE AND OPEN AND PEOPLE FIRST, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF IT IS BUILDING FIRST PERHAPS. AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND, AND SEE WHERE YOU CAN MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN THOSE AREAS. AND THEN AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN AS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE INPUT THAT STAFF RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE OUR CITY BE. AND SO WE SHOULD VALUE THAT INPUT WHEN YOU AS A DEVELOPER AND AS A TEAM ARE WORKING TO CREATE SOMETHING. AND TO USE YOUR WORDS, MR. YOUNG, THIS IS A MASSIVE PROJECT, MASSIVE IN SCOPE, FINANCIAL IMPACT AND IMPACT PERHAPS ON WHAT OUR GENERAL PLAN IS MEANT TO DO. SO OUR, MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME WORK YOU COULD DO WITH STAFF TO ADJUST IN AREAS, BUT THERE'S A BIG ASK IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE GENERAL PLAN FOR NOW AND THE FUTURE. IT MAY TAKE FIVE, 10 YEARS AND WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW MASSIVE IS IT GOING TO BE IN THE FOOTPRINT? AND HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO NOT SUPPORT OR SUPPORT WHAT IS ENVISIONED BY THE COMMUNITY? AND THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE GENERAL PLAN. AND SOMETHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED IS, IS PRECEDENT AND MAKING SURE THAT THE ASK IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE EQUITABLE FOR ANYONE THAT [00:30:01] COMES BEFORE US, NO MATTER HOW LARGE OR HOW SMALL. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WHAT THE LEWIS COMPANY HAS DONE IN, IN OUR CITY. THEY'VE DONE SOME BEAUTIFUL PROJECTS. AND SO WE'RE ASKING IT, I'M ASKING AT THIS POINT TO WORK WITH THE STAFF WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN TO REINFORCE AND SUPPORT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND WHAT THE VISION AND MISSION OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA AND WHAT WE WANT OUR CITY TO BE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK. I CERTAINLY AM HAPPY YOU CAME TONIGHT. IT MAKES SENSE. YOU WANNA SEE WHERE WE ARE AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO SUPPORT YOUR PROJECT AND YOUR PLANS AND TO GET THAT INPUT RIGHT NOW. I THINK I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE GENERAL PLAN AGAIN AND WORK WITH STAFF ON COMING A LITTLE CLOSER TOGETHER IN THOSE AREAS THAT REPRESENT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. VERY GOOD. MR. MAY? YES. UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SHARED. UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS FOR ME WAS, UM, THE DEFICIT IN THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT. UM, AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, FOR FUTURE, I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY NOT TO HAVE, UM, THAT COMMERCIAL FOOTPRINT AT THAT LARGER NUMBER. UM, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERNS TO ME. THANK YOU MR. YOUNG. I THANK YOU FOR COMING, UH, THIS EVENING. UM, THIS PROCESS, UH, WAS A RESULT AS IT WAS STATED EARLIER BY OUR CITY MANAGER, WAS A DEVELOPER, WENT COMPLETELY ALL THROUGH THE PROCESS AND DIDN'T RECEIVE WHAT HE ANTICIPATED TO RECEIVE AND WAS VERY TROUBLING FOR ALL OF US. AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT THIS PROGRAM OR THIS POLICY TOGETHER FOR A DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO COME FORTH, PRESENT SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT STAFF IS, IS LOOKING FOR AT THE TIME. I, I NEED TO ASK JENNIFER. THE, THE PROJECT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THAT'S A LEWIS GROUP OF COMPANY PROJECT, CORRECT? YES. AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED? IT HAS BEEN APPROVED, YES. AND IT WAS APPROVED WITH COMMERCIAL? IT WAS APPROVED WITH COMMERCIAL, YES. AND, UH, WAS IT APPROVED UNDER THE, WAS IT WAS WHEN THEY STARTED THIS PROCESS? WAS THAT THE OLD GENERAL PLAN OR IS THAT THE NEW GENERAL PLAN THAT WAS UNDER THE OLD GENERAL PLAN? THAT WAS, PARDON ME, THAT WAS UNDER THE OLD GENERAL PLAN. OKAY. UM, I, I GUESS I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT WHAT MY COLLEAGUES, WHAT MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID, BUT I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OF CONCERNS AND THAT IS I'M REALLY WANTING TO SEE MORE, MORE INTEREST IN GETTING COMMERCIAL ROLLING ALONG. WHILE I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE GOTTA BUILD BUILDINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA LIVE IN AND RESIDE IN. BUT I'M REALLY BIG ON, AND I THINK OUR GENERAL PLAN TALKED ABOUT WALKABLE COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IF WE KEEP WAITING FOR A COMMERCIAL AND WE BUILD OUT ALL THE HOUSING, THOSE SAME PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT PROJECT THAT NEED TO GO TO A CLEANERS OR SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL, UM, A COFFEE HOUSE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, HAVE TO DRIVE. AND THIS, THIS WAY, I, I, I'M, I'M GUESS I'M CONCERNED WITH THE RESORT. UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A BIG PICTURE. WE WERE REALLY THRILLED WITH THE IDEA OF COMMERCIAL COMING ALONG WITH DEVELOPMENT, BUT I SEE VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR COMMERCIAL. UM, AND RESIDENTS ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE INTO THE, INTO THE PROJECT AND IT'S A GORGEOUS PROJECT. UH, I GUESS FOR ME, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR STAFF SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS DEVELOPING WHAT IS LOOKED UPON AS PROBABLY THE, ONE OF THE BETTER, MORE WELL READ GENERAL PLANS EVER CREATED FOR THE CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA. AND I'M, I'M KIND OF, OF, OF A MIND THAT IT'S TROUBLESOME FOR ME TO GIVE SOMEBODY SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO GIVE TO THE NEXT DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN. AND, AND IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE THAT LEWIS GROUP OF COMPANIES, LEWIS HOLMES, WAY BACK IN THE DAY, DECIDED TO MAKE RANCHO CUONG THEIR FLAGSHIP OF THE MOST DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'VE EVER DONE IN ANY ONE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE WANT TO FINISH STRONG WITH THIS GENERAL PLAN. UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS TO A GENERAL PLAN, I WOULD ASSUME IF WE WERE GONNA DO THIS, CERTAINLY POSSIBLY SOME DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS. AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME RECENTLY DEVELOP, APPROVING A NEW DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THEN JUST RECENTLY WE DID ANOTHER UPDATE TO IT WITH SOME MINOR CORRECTIONS. SO I, I, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS SO FAR, BUT I, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, THAT, UH, YOU'VE HEARD WHAT OUR COUNCIL HAS STATED AND WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING BEAUTIFULLY DONE JUST AS WELL AS YOUR OTHER PROJECTS. I LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF A MORE WALKABLE PROJECT. I LIKE THE IDEA OF [00:35:01] HAVING DIFFERENT, UM, ELEVATIONS, DIFFERENT, UH, STYLES, DIFFERENT STYLES OF, OF BUILDINGS. UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST LOOKS LIKE ONE BIG GIANT PROJECT THAT THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCES. I THINK WE APPROVED THAT OTHER PROJECT ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF, OF FOOTHILL AND, AND MILLIKEN. AND WE WERE THRILLED WITH THE PROJECT THE WAY IT TURNED OUT AND WE DID A GREAT JOB. AND I THINK WE CAN DO JUST THAT SAME THING AND WE FOLLOW WHAT WE HAVE WITH OUR EXISTING DEVELOPMENT CODE, OUR EXISTING GENERAL PLAN TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE AND SIT DOWN WITH STAFF AND WORK THROUGH IT AFTER YOU'VE HEARD ALL OF THESE COMMENTS FROM, FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. SURE. YOU, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO MR. YOUNG. ABSOLUTELY. UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE DO WANNA WORK WITH STAFF AND WORK IT THROUGH STAFF IS WHO SUGGESTED TO US TO DO THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS BECAUSE THAT WOULD TAKE US TO A WORKSHOP WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHATEVER WE SORT THROUGH IN THAT, THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR THE CITY. WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA GO FORWARD. SO WE'RE, IT'S REALLY, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE DOWNSIDE IS OF GOING THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE WORK CLOSER WITH THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS WOULD DO FOR THIS PROJECT. BUT THEN YOU'VE HEARD AS FAR THAT, AS FAR AS THAT PROJECT GOES, YOU'VE HEARD OUR CONCERNS WITH THE ISSUE OF COMMERCIAL. I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE. YEAH. AND, AND THAT WOULD BE RESOLVED IF THAT, IF THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE, THEN IT, THERE WOULD BE PUSH AND PULL ON THAT. THERE WOULD BE PUSH AND PULL OF WHERE THE WE, WE HAVE RE I THINK SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WAS SAID IS PROBABLY NOT ACCURATE. 'CAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T GIVE PRESENT THE PROJECT TO YOU, SO I WE'RE JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT OUR STAFF PUT TOGETHER. YEAH. I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT THAT FAR ALONG, SO UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THAT'S THE REASON FOR, FOR THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE PROJECT AND WHETHER IT'S DONE THROUGH A MASTER PLAN OR DONE THROUGH SOME OTHER MEANS. YEAH. WHICH IS, WHICH, THAT'S, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO, TO, TO US. WE JUST WANNA SEE THE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I, WHY WE WANT THE MASS, WHY WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU BET. IS STAFF, YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION FROM, FROM, FROM US AS A COUNCIL. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED US TO CLARIFY AT ALL? NO. AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOOD. THANK YOU. PARDON ME? WE ARE GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY, SO WE WILL, UM, THAT'S A RECEIVING FILE. THERE IS NO IN NO ACTION NECESSARY. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE PASS ON OUR APPRECIATION TO YOUR, TO, TO MR. LEWIS AND, AND RANDALL. AND, AND, UH, I KNOW OUR STAFF WILL BE MORE THAN WILLING AND READY TO WORK WITH YOU AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. AND YOU, YOU WITH THEM. OKAY. UH, THAT CONCLUDES THAT ITEM. WE HAVE NO ITEMS [ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS ITEM(S) - CITY/FIRE DISTRICT] FOR THE, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER STAFF REPORT, [CITY MANAGER'S STAFF REPORT(S)] ANY COUNCIL BUSINESS DISCUSSIONS, [COUNCIL BUSINESS] ANY COUNCIL ANNOUNCEMENTS, INTER AGENCY UPDATES, ANY ITEMS [CITY ATTORNEY ITEMS] FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY. NO REPORTS TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANY IDENTIFICATION [IDENTIFICATION OF ITEMS FOR NEXT MEETING] OF ITEMS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY THE 21ST HERE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK? AND IF NOT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING. WE [ADJOURNMENT] NOW ARE ADJOURNED FOR A MINUTE THERE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.